I hope this is an appropriate place to put this post. I've been shooting for several years but almost all of my target practice has been at 10 yards or less and when I did shoot further it would be usually at full silhouette steel (or when a local match forced me to do it). I started trying to get more serious about shooting about a year ago. I decided to start trying my hand at some longer range shooting. Due to some limitations of where I often shoot I started trying my hand at shooting at a bowling pin at roughly 40 yards. I quickly became discouraged because I was hitting the pin, on average, 2 or 3 times for every 20 rounds fired. After listening to Pressburg, et al. I decided to try my hand at 25 yard b8s for the first time a few months ago. My first attempt I got 3 rounds (of 10) on paper for a score of 22. I tried again and again and the best I could pull off was a 25, and I even had a 14 at one point. I was dismayed but had no idea what I was doing wrong. I thought my fundamentals were good and didn't know how to diagnose my problems. I tried a few more times each time with equally dismal results. I tried Glocks, a Beretta 92, a Sig 2022, a 1911, and even my Shield with no improvement. Then a friend lent me his Glock 19 upper milled for an RMR (3.25 dot) and on a whim I shot b8s with that. I immediately went to getting all 10 shots on paper and scoring in the mid 80s. I know that that's not particularly good but it's a huge improvement for me. I did it like 5 times in a row. Firing at the same pace with a gun that was completely stock other than the RMR. Then I switched back to irons and my score was back down in the 20s again. This suggests to me that my issue is one of sight alignment/picture and not trigger control, grip, etc. What I can't figure out is how to fix it and what I'm doing wrong. I can score 80+ on a b8 at 15 yards with irons, and I can shoot stuff like dot torture pretty well. So what am I doing wrong that makes such a huge difference at 25? Sorry for hijacking your thread with my dissertation, but any help would be appreciated.