Sean McMahon
January 23
Thoughts on running DG switches on a pistol mounted light? I run one on my duty gun
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Nick DoanRan one but it altered my grip so much that it was a no go...for me. Plenty of reps but I have weird hands. Small hands. Smells like cabbage.
January 23 at 5:12pm · Unlike · 5 -
Alex SansonePersonally I prefer one that isn't activated by sympathetic reflex. I know of at least one large LE agency that prohibits them because (due to lack of training) it's presence has been accused of contributing to NDs.
I just don't like them cuz they screw with the grip profile and for me they're harder to manage on/off than a lever switch.
January 23 at 5:13pm · Like · 1 -
Shane FitchA better question is why isn't everyone? Mine stays on my duty and offduty X300U 24/7. I have one on order for my 1911 as we speak. People like to make a big deal about light ND/AD but if i am drawing under speed, then a light ND is the last of my worries.
January 23 at 5:15pm · Like · 4 -
Alex Sansoneoh, no. the ad/nd i'm talking about was when they were trying to turn on the light, and the sympathetic reflex caused them to manipulate the trigger as well.
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Michael HueserTraining issues...
January 23 at 5:16pm · Unlike · 10 -
Shane FitchAlex, how is th DG switch harder to manage than the rocker? A slight release of pressure mean no light. As for messing up your grip, thats a retraining issue.
January 23 at 5:16pm · Unlike · 3 -
Shane FitchAlex, I'm familar with the shootings you are refering too. That is a 100% training issue as Michael said.
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Sean McMahonPrior to running the switch, I found I had issues with the toggle turning on and off with rapid follow up shots and fast strings of fire.
January 23 at 5:19pm · Like -
Ephraim RogersProper training corrects any switching issues. If you have a gun out then the light is either used or it does not matter.
I like DG switches but don't run one anymore because it was interfering with a solid grip. I'm not willing to sacrifice a superior grip for a nominal switching device.
This on Glocks and M&Ps. 1911's are a slightly different deal.
January 23 at 5:27pm · Unlike · 2 - January 23 at 5:31pm · Like · 4
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Chuck HaggardI don't prefer the newer version of the DG due to the grip issues noted above, but I rather liked the older saddle type switch SureFire made back in the day for my HKs. At any rate, I was hired by one agency as an expert witness ref one of the famous ND cases that involved a DG switch/X300 light. The WML and switching had absolutely nothing to do with what happened.
January 23 at 5:46pm · Like · 5 -
Alex Sansoneoh it's undeniably a training issue, it's just easier for the bureaucratic wieners to ban the symptom vs. addressing the problem.
That being said, i run my grip with fairly aggressive thumbs forward, and my support thumb can easily manipulate the toggle. Works best for me personally. I may change my tune after a rigorous low-light class.
January 23 at 5:57pm · Like · 1 -
Chuck HaggardWhat if you have to shoot one handed?
January 23 at 6:19pm · Like · 3 -
Michael HueserAlex :
Not everybody can reach the toggle without having to alter their Master grip......See More
January 23 at 6:38pm · Like · 3 -
Matt LandfairAlex how do you activate the light one handed?
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Alex Sansonei can also reach the light with my index finger. for me personally it's kind of a moot point since for my EDC my side arm and my light are separate, and I don't have a duty gun.
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Matt LandfairThe index finger that you use to press the trigger?
January 23 at 7:57pm · Like · 1 -
Alex Sansoneif that's my absolute only option, yes it's a solution. is it the best solution? no, however if i've ended up in a circumstance where i'm having to one-handed gunfight in a low light environment, i've already had a lot of other shit go wrong too.
as i mentioned previously, once I get a rigorous low light course under my belt my opinions may change.
January 23 at 8:01pm · Like -
Matt LandfairIs it a bad thing for the weapon light to activate when you pull the trigger?
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Justin Coyle"DG" ? Is that on the acronym form. I've recently been wearing a body cam and I use it to review certain calls. I've especially liked reviewing house clearing. I've noticed that when operating the light (inforce apl gen2) my primary hand grips the gun with a high flagged thumb as if I were shooting one handed. I operate the light with my support side thumb.
I used to run a stream light tlr1s, that worked well until I switched lights. I even tried the tlr1 with the remote trigger root button. I hated that. The light would flash and activate when I didn't necessarily want it to and it was uncomfortable.
My department looked at the Detroit (?) AD where the officer was activating his light and cranked off a round and commanded that we do not use our trigger finger to operate the light. Of course they also told us not to direct traffic with that light either.
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Chuck HaggardDG=Dev Gru, aka Navy SEALs
January 23 at 8:55pm · Like · 2 -
Chuck HaggardThe real issue with WMLs are the number of people carrying them with almost zero training, or shitty training, the number of firearms trainers that think range training is all they need to provide, the number of firearms trainers influencing policy and training that know jack shit about how to use lights properly in low-light tactics, the number of clueless command staff influencing things (see Denver as an example) and frankly the fact that too many cops are constantly pointing guns at people they have no fucking business pointing guns at.
January 23 at 8:58pm · Unlike · 12 -
Michael Hueser^^^ See... Training...
Chuck : Popow?
January 24 at 9:57am · Like · 1 -
Chuck HaggardThat, Zuchel v Denver, and a myriad of other court cases. The one I was an expert on I can't talk about much, but training, documentation, leadership, etc. all come in to play.
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Dan KempI picked up a new in wrapper DG switch for cheap, tried it, didn't like it. I couldn't NOT lay off with my firing hand middle finger enough not to trigger the light and still maintain what I consider a proper grip on the gun (Springfield MC 1911A1).
If anyone wants it, let me know. It's around here someplace.
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Michael HueserThanks Chuck ...
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Chuck Haggardhttp://www.thetacticalwire.com/features/224243
Voices from the Field: Gunlights, Switching and Gunpoint: An Analysis --...
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Rich GrassiAnd ever relevant is part 2:http://www.thetacticalwire.com/features/224255
Voices from the Field: Gunlights, Switching and Gunpoint: Analysis -- Part...
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Chad MercerIf I have cause to point a gun i am only a touch away from cause to shoot... Its arguable that one needs cause to shoot before going to the gun in the first place. Any more light I get on the threat the better to ID with.
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Matt LandfairThere are methods of using dirty lights to illuminate a room without pointing a gun at a person
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Chad MercerIm talking about chance contact.
Clearing a structure, yeah, float the gun and use the spill... Then find the fricken lightswitch.
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Matt LandfairI am just reinforcing you
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Michael HueserUnequal visual info CAN be your friend...
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