Consensus on the Beretta PX4

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Looking forward to it.

God f*cking dammit people, youre giving me even more decisions to make here, with your helpful input and you experience and whatnot.
Next time just let me stay ignorant so that I dont actually have to decide anything!!
I am not a fan of changing platforms, especially when the point isn't to get a better platform which is the only acceptable reason (think hipoint to Glock), but rather to "try" a different gun to see if you like it better or if you shoot it better, which in my opinion is always the wrong reason to buy a different pistol - especially so for carry.

I can assure you that the majority of people cannot shoot their chosen pistol beyond it's ability. Hell, I can count on one hand the people I know and have seen first hand be able to outshoot the precision (that's accuracy and speed) capability of a Glock. So going from a Glock to something else is usually an emotional decision, one I'd highly recommend not falling for.

Is the px4 attractive? Yeah, I'd love to get one. Maybe one day down the line I will, for testing purposes. Will I carry one? Highly unlikely. Not because its somehow lacking, there isn't, but because I have great experience, results and still a long way to go with the Glock 19 and 17 I carry daily, respectively.

There is always training value in using a different platform, but you have to really consider the reasons behind it. I have several Glocks of various modification levels because I need to know why one of them does and why in certain instances. Diagnosing an issue is as important as simple competence.
 
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I am not a fan of changing platforms, especially when the point isn't to get a better platform which is the only acceptable reason (think hipoint to Glock), but rather to "try" a different gun to see if you like it better or if you shoot it better, which in my opinion is always the wrong reason to buy a different pistol - especially so for carry.

I can assure you that the majority of people cannot shoot their chosen pistol beyond it's ability. Hell, I can count on one hand the people I know and have seen first hand be able to outshoot the precision (that's accuracy and speed) capability of a Glock. So going from a Glock to something else is usually an emotional decision, one I'd highly recommend not falling for.

Is the px4 attractive? Yeah, I'd love to get one. Maybe one day down the line I will, for testing purposes. Will I carry one? Highly unlikely. Not because its somehow lacking, there isn't, but because I have great experience, results and still a long way to go with the Glock 19 and 17 I carry daily, respectively.

There is always training value in using a different platform, but you have to really consider the reasons behind it. I have several Glocks of various modification levels because I need to know why one of them does and why in certain instances. Diagnosing an issue is as important as simple competence.
I agree with your sentiment. Until recently, I haven't had the means to really dedicate myself to a platform.
Whatever carry gun I choose will be my platform, and the only platform I'll train with consistently.
 
#23
So I know this thread is almost a year old but I have a PX4 Compact Carry so I thought I could chime in. I have 1 2-day class and a couple thousand rounds of practice on it, and I carry it every day.

Likes:

- The curved profile of the rear of the slide makes it carry AIWB very well
- The recoil impulse is great, better than a Glock 19-ish pistol should have.
- The SA trigger is fantastic, as is the DA after swapping out the mainspring for a 12lb unit.
- Control layout works for me. I can hit the mag release without rotating the gun in my hand. I can hit the slide release with my strong hand thumb.
- The Langdon Tactical website does a great job of keeping holsters & parts in stock which eases the pain of running an uncommon gun.

Dislikes:

- When I first got the pistol, it would fail to enter battery when reloading from slide lock if I used the slide release. After some experimentation I
determined that pressure from my thumb on the slide was interfering. This went away after 1-200 rounds or so.
- It would also FRTB frequently when dirty (after 6-700 rounds or so), when shot by a newer shooter whose grip sucked, or with S&B 115gr ammo.
Some combination of those 3 would make that happen. This has also stopped happening, though I haven't had a newbie shoot it in a while.
- The barrel length is very short. Like M&P Shield short. This means you have to pay attention to ammo selection, especially now that HSTs aren't
as easy to come by as they used to be.
- The sight radius is very short. This means that shooting B-8s at 25y is harder than it might be otherwise, though the Ameriglo sights and baller SA
trigger compensate for this somewhat.

The first two have gone away, and I've had no issues with FRTB since last summer. I attribute this to the fact that I've started lubricating the interface between the barrel hood and breech face (the rotating barrel design seems to have different friction points than regular Browning designs) and not buying S&B ammo anymore. Now that I think of it, it's also possible that the Cerakote on the slide was increasing friction with the slide rails, and needed to burnish a little bit, but tbh I haven't actually looked to see if that part of the slide was Cerakoted or not.

On the balance, I think that if you want a Glock 19-sized
 
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wow, I didn't finish writing that post and the edit timer has run down.

Pretend I wrote "On the balance, I think that if you want a Glock 19-sized DA/SA gun you could do a lot worse. Anecdotally, I like it a lot more than the P-07 because I find it easier to manipulate the slide & slide release, and the trigger is better," instead of just trailing off.