Matt Grösch
May 27 at 8:44am
Apparently some cerakote companies are painting guns to look like the factory training glocks.
I was was booted off the Glock Facebook page for pointing out what a bad idea this is
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Lloyd BrahmThe official Glock Facebook page? Where was this?
May 27 at 8:45am · Like -
Matt GröschGlock world I believe, the one with 21k members, and iirc one of the guys might be a member here
May 27 at 8:45am · Like -
Matt GröschThread was deleted last night, "Glock world" I believe, I don't think it's official.
May 27 at 8:48am · Like -
Chuck HaggardI have yet to see a Glock FB or other internets group that wasn't ate the fuck up with derp and retardery
May 27 at 8:49am · Like · 22 -
Alex KoganYesterday had a client pick up his new Sig. He showed up with dummy rounds that looked real. Well, they might be
They were a reloads w/o a primer. Primer part was painted red. He got it off the eBay. I did mention it to him that it was a bad idea
People do crazy things all the time
May 27 at 8:58am · Like · 3 -
Barry T DallmannGlock fan boys being dumb? No way...
May 27 at 9:03am · Like · 1 -
Tucker BloxhamI kicked a hood rat out of my shop when he wanted the muzzle end of his high point painted orange.
May 27 at 9:05am · Unlike · 15 -
Matt GröschI posted this pic of the training guns, blue and orange-red looked very similar, but the color was on the slide+parts, not lower frame
May 27 at 9:08am · Unlike · 3 -
Chuck HaggardWhoever built or coated those guns is a fucking asshole that needs a flogging.
May 27 at 9:41am · Like · 10 -
Matt GröschThe above are the actual Glock training guns, here was one of the real guns, I didn't save a pic of the blue but it was similar.
May 27 at 9:48am · Like -
Matt GröschCoral snake, King snake
May 27 at 9:49am · Like · 2 -
Tim NelsonSetting someone up for failure. How is that not obviously a bad idea?
May 27 at 10:00am · Like · 3 -
Tim ChandlerThat red one looks like a SIRT. The whole point of the SIRT having a red slide is so that it doesn't look like a real gun. This is stupid.
May 27 at 10:06am · Like · 8 -
Matt GröschPretty much my exact words,(both prior comments) for the business and buyer......... And most importantly, any cop potentially dealing with them.
This actually is an, unofficial, game changer, since businesses are intentionally disguising real guns to look like fake guns, police have to adjust accordingly
May 27 at 10:07am · Edited · Like -
Tucker BloxhamLuckily training guns are fairly hard to get so LEO's should assume that anyone who presents a "training gun" is a real threat.
May 27 at 10:08am · Like · 1 -
Matt GröschIt jumped out at me because I was pricing both of those training guns earlier in the day, yesterday
More expensive than the real thing....
May 27 at 10:10am · Like -
Lloyd Brahmcerakoting businesses have been painting guns to intentionally look fake for a while now though. Thanks to them, we as officers now have to think a gun that is shaped like a real one but painted Hello Kitty themed is real.
May 27 at 10:20am · Like -
Joshua JedidiahI don't see a problem with it. Which civilian buys Glock manufactured training guns? What Tucker said ^
May 27 at 10:20am · Like -
Joshua JedidiahHow often have LEO'S seen cerakoted guns on the street?
May 27 at 10:21am · Like · 1 -
Lloyd BrahmI dunno. I've never seen one. But if someone points a gun at me that is bright green, but still shaped like a Glock, I need to assume it real
May 27 at 10:22am · Like · 6 -
Joshua JedidiahAbsolutely smile emoticon ^
May 27 at 10:22am · Like -
Lloyd BrahmHaha that was my point. A gun painted an abnormal color isn't new.
May 27 at 10:23am · Like · 1 -
Kevin ReedWhen in doubt press the damned trigger... I've run into the exact same thing in Indy.
May 27 at 10:34am · Like · 1 -
Matt GröschGlock and other professional companies go to great trouble to clearly differentiate real guns and training only guns.
If someone sees no problem painting real guns to look like training guns, they must think the entire training world is wrong to distinguish them
May 27 at 10:39am · Like · 1 -
Joshua JedidiahOr they just want their guns to look cool in their favorite color
May 27 at 10:40am · Like · 1 -
Matt GröschOf course you should react accordingly, but talk about potential training scars......
And potential accidents
May 27 at 10:41am · Like · 3 -
Joshua JedidiahIt behooves someone to think a gun is real if pointed at them, no matter what the color
May 27 at 10:41am · Like · 2 -
Matt GröschThey can think it looks cool, and be idiots
May 27 at 10:42am · Like -
Joshua JedidiahTraining guns are difficult to get a hold of and quite useless to the civilian, and even then we would use a cheaper alternative like a fully plastic molded training gun
May 27 at 10:43am · Like -
Tim ChandlerI don't mind a custom paint job on a gun...but a custom paint job designed deliberately to mimic trainers is asking for trouble. Hello Kitty AR15? Sure. AR15 with the barrel painted to look like a Sims upper? Absolutely not.
May 27 at 10:45am · Like · 2 -
Joshua JedidiahI think it's something Leo's and their departments have to address sooner or later because people will be doing them regardless -- however rare they may be out in the street
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Matt GröschI'm pretty confident in saying anyone knowledgeable (attorneys, police trainers, the top tier civilian trainers) would all agree that doing this is foolish. Given that, it's a stupid idea and asking for trouble, criminal/civil court
May 27 at 10:47am · Like · 5 -
Chris CliftonWe've gotten safety bulletins about the potential for running into painted guns for a while now but I don't think anyone here has seen any other than airsoft guns with the orange paint missing
May 27 at 10:48am · Like · 1 -
Timothy GiblinI have a friend that teaches in texas that runs his class with a "blue" g17. He teaches a lot of LEOs and it makes them realize this is a real possiblity now. I have no issue with him having it at class to make a point. Holding "blue" gun yells "eyes and ears" they repeat he does a mag dump. Gets the point accross.
May 27 at 10:49am · Like · 2 -
Matt Grösch^ exactly. The reality needs to be addressed, but it's still highly irresponsible to produce disguised guns. The people doing it can only be riff raff or idiots.
May 27 at 10:56am · Like -
Timothy GiblinPretty sure it only comes out in LEO classes i'll have to ask.
May 27 at 10:57am · Like -
Kevin ReedWell, pointing a weapon at someone is "very aggressive" with the potential to do "grave bodily harm."
I'm not an LEO but I know that it will matter not to me if it's a sims pistol, SIRT pistol or a Sig pistol. The person intended for me to believe what he had was real to obtain the desired reaction he wanted to do what it was he intended.
There *ARE* no toy guns. Treat them ALL as if they were real - and teach your children, for God's sake and the sanity of your family.
May 27 at 11:31am · Like · 2 -
Jonathan DavisI was on that page for a little while. I ended up leaving because of the amazing concentration of derp.
May 27 at 12:03pm · Like · 2 -
Justin SandersThere was another cerakote thread that got way out of hand before. It'll eventually boil down to the fact that you can't control what people do with their money and their property. Stupid people with lots of money to blow will do stupid things and lots of the time it'll be for no other reason than aesthetics. Look at all the cars on the road that are completely stock and have a dumbass aftermarket spoiler on them.
I definitely agree with the mentality of "if somone points a gun at you, treat it as if it's real and act accordingly."
May 27 at 12:18pm · Like · 1 -
Michael Gary SpightProbably the same group of derpsters on the GlockTalk forum...
May 27 at 12:36pm · Like · 2 -
Dusty CristI've been asked. I won't do it.
May 27 at 1:00pm · Like · 2 -
E. Alan Normandy
May 27 at 1:25pm · Like · 6 -
Shane FitchThats almost as bad the the cerakote that makes your gun looked used
May 27 at 6:55pm · Like · 3