I'm running Winchester Train and Defend. In my experience, they do indeed shoot to the same poa/poi. Recoil feels the same to me as well.
Doc, what is your opinion on this round?
When I started running these, 147 HST was as available as woodpecker lips. Saw a video on youtube (shooting the bull) where these were shot into properly calibrated FBI ordnance gel (according to tester) and they performed great. Would VERY much like your opinion if you have the time and inclination.
Issued 230 grain Gold Dot in our .45s. Going to 9mm shortly and they're looking at various flavors. I know HST is favored by those with the ability to have a say, not sure what we'll actually get.
124 grain Gold Dot in my offduty/backup 9mm because I can't find HST locally in any significant numbers (box here, box there, that's all). They issue 55gr softpoint in .223, my personal rifle has 62 grain TAP at the moment.
The slower standard pressure round expanded less, but penetrated deeper. The +P loading expanded more and penetrated less. Having both test shots at 15" or more of penetration was something I have not seen in my previous 9mm tests. I have to believe the limited expansion and heavier bullet are significant contributing factors to the observed penetration numbers.
I am a law enforcement officer and my depts. firearms instructor so I have a lot of input of what my dept carries for a duty round. I am wondering what other agencies and/or people are carrying for their self defense/carry ammunition.
We recently switched to the 9mm and went with the new Speer Gold Dot 2.
We are currently carrying HST across the pistol caliber spectrum.
124gr.+P 9mm, 125gr. .357 Sig, 180gr. .40 S&W 230gr.+P .45 ACP
Hornady 55 gr GMX in 5.56X45mm in patrol rifles/carbines
12 Ga. Federal Flite Control No. 4 Buck Shot in all shotguns ( Remington 870 and Benelli Super 90's )
7.62X51 Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr. OTM Precision rifle ( Remington 700 PSS )