Your carry/Self Defense ammo issued/choice?

The Virginian

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#62
I'm running Winchester Train and Defend. In my experience, they do indeed shoot to the same poa/poi. Recoil feels the same to me as well.
Doc, what is your opinion on this round?
When I started running these, 147 HST was as available as woodpecker lips. Saw a video on youtube (shooting the bull) where these were shot into properly calibrated FBI ordnance gel (according to tester) and they performed great. Would VERY much like your opinion if you have the time and inclination.
 
#64
Current Dept issue (my selections after we dropped our .40 cal glock's for 9mm and .45 glock's.)

9mm- Winchester Ranger 147gr T-series

45- Winchester Ranger 230gr T-series

AR15- Winchester RA556 5.56 64gr bonded SP.
 

MrMurphy

Regular Member
#65
Issued 230 grain Gold Dot in our .45s. Going to 9mm shortly and they're looking at various flavors. I know HST is favored by those with the ability to have a say, not sure what we'll actually get.

124 grain Gold Dot in my offduty/backup 9mm because I can't find HST locally in any significant numbers (box here, box there, that's all). They issue 55gr softpoint in .223, my personal rifle has 62 grain TAP at the moment.
 
#68
I picked Speer GD 124+p for my 9mm civilian SD pistol off Doc's list.

With my aging retiree hands, the GDs 'popped' a bit too much, so I recently switched to Federal P9HST2 147 in standard pressure.

I will be using that for my P30SK, as I've understood Doc to say in the shorter barrels, the heavier ammo tends to perform as well as in the longer barrels.

If I've misunderstood that, could someone correct me please.
 

Chuck Haggard

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#69
I picked Speer GD 124+p for my 9mm civilian SD pistol off Doc's list.

With my aging retiree hands, the GDs 'popped' a bit too much, so I recently switched to Federal P9HST2 147 in standard pressure.

I will be using that for my P30SK, as I've understood Doc to say in the shorter barrels, the heavier ammo tends to perform as well as in the longer barrels.

If I've misunderstood that, could someone correct me please.
Nope, that's accurate.
 
#75
Did you choose that load or was it issued. If you chose it, why?

I went with the 135 grain because it has increased penetration with reliable expansion. I also went with the non plus P round because I run a compact.

I advise all my staff and offer the same pricing i get which is mainly 23 dollars for a 50 count.

 
#78
The non +p version tends to not expand from shorter guns in my observation.
The slower standard pressure round expanded less, but penetrated deeper. The +P loading expanded more and penetrated less. Having both test shots at 15" or more of penetration was something I have not seen in my previous 9mm tests. I have to believe the limited expansion and heavier bullet are significant contributing factors to the observed penetration numbers.


http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2012/07/hornady-critical-duty-9mm-135-grain.html?m=1
 
#79
I am a law enforcement officer and my depts. firearms instructor so I have a lot of input of what my dept carries for a duty round. I am wondering what other agencies and/or people are carrying for their self defense/carry ammunition.

We recently switched to the 9mm and went with the new Speer Gold Dot 2.
We are currently carrying HST across the pistol caliber spectrum.
124gr.+P 9mm, 125gr. .357 Sig, 180gr. .40 S&W 230gr.+P .45 ACP
Hornady 55 gr GMX in 5.56X45mm in patrol rifles/carbines
12 Ga. Federal Flite Control No. 4 Buck Shot in all shotguns ( Remington 870 and Benelli Super 90's )
7.62X51 Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr. OTM Precision rifle ( Remington 700 PSS )