Modlite

#1
I first learned about Modlite roughly 2 months ago via a Facebook ad featuring their "dump your CR123" "campaign". A catchy way of getting me to click.

First, I did some research into modern 18350 and 18650 cells. This light centers around the use of more energy dense fuel than CR123's, so to neglect this part of the discussion would be irresponsible. I have an 18650 light (Streamlight HLX 1000 lumen USB Rechargeable), and a CR123 light (500 lumen Surefire Scout head on an old school Surefire Roundbody E). I chunked them with fully charged cells in my deep freeze (got them down to -10*F) and then promptly took them outside. The 18350 light was not doing much, and neither was the CR123 primary light, either. The CR123 light DID put out more, but neither were in fighting form, and both came up to fighting form pretty fast (few minutes).

Cold weather, my advice is to carry WML batteries on your person, or find a way to keep the light warm, or understand that you're going to be relegated back to original 6P LED days if you click that on in sub-zero weather, no-matter WHAT fuel you're using in your WML.

The next comparison aspect is "how long will it hold a charge?" Doing research on the current crop of 18350's, I am seeing industry standards of >90% charge per 30 day retention, and "real world" end user results I received when polling on CPF indicate roughly 5 years in storage until the batteries have self-discharged below the threshold of operating a WML at full brightness.

My advice is to maintain your WML like you maintain the rest of your weapon, and you won't have any issues.

Now, on to the "cool and fun stuff"...

With a more energy dense fuel, the Modlite 18350 "mini-scout" as I call it, is quite small. Most of the bulk of a flashlight is the battery compartment, while the mass is in the driver/head. Here, I have compared it to a Surefire M300:





Speaking of mass, it's light, too! (shown with battery installed, Note that Modlite advertises this light as 4oz. I trust their scales more than mine. Maybe that's why losing weight has been so hard for me?):



So what you really want to know...is how bright is it? Paper numbers are fine, but what's it really do "on the street"?

For comparison, I have used a Streamlight HL-X 1000 lumen 18650 powered light, fully charged, and my Surefire M600, 500 lumen head that I placed on an old-school round-body E-series. The targets are 2/3 IPSC steel, painted white, at 100m.


HL-X:

Surefire M600, 500 lumen:

Modlite:

*All of that "snow" is pollen. This photo-shoot cost me.


You can see that the HL-X is geared ever so slightly more toward spill, while the Modlite and Surefire, toward throw, with the Modlite appearing to strike a balance between the two, due to its over-all lumen output. Modlite is definitely not sand-bagging their ratings. The beam profile is also excellent for its intended use on a carbine. The "beam texture" for all of you white-wall hunters out there, is also quite good. Especially for the size and purpose (shooting things, not birdwatching) of this light. I have 18ft ceilings, and this photo was taken with me holding the light at about 6ft off the floor. Note the lack of rings ("CREE rings", for you old-schoolers), artifact, or cool spots in the profile. This is a "pretty" beam, especially for a weapon light!



This brings us to the last bit...quality and value. The Modlite "setup" costs $350. It includes an excellent Nitecore D2 charger, 2 Keeppower protected cells, and the head, cap, and body of your Modlite. $350 isn't chump change, and I expected excellence from Modlite for that amount of cash. Especially in such a saturated market as WML's, and with Surefire's being obtainable for 2 bills and some pocket change.

I was not disappointed. The machine work as well as anodizing on my light was flawless. Beyond that, Corry (the owner of Modlite) feels (as evidenced by his strong push to rechargeables, not only for their energy-dense fuel source, but also money saved over the long-haul) that if you are going to really save money in the long term, say, for a large department, you will need those batteries to be in as good of condition, for as long as possible. To this end, the spring contacts have smooth "cups" soldered over them. We've all seen the scratched up battery ends on "normal" flashlights and WML's. With CR123's, it didn't matter, but if you plan to actually USE this thing, it's nice not to be scratching your rechargeables every time you swap them out! (I did not test run-time, but Modlite lists it as 30-35 minutes, if I recall, using 18350). This is the level of detail I expect for $350. The head is fully potted with thermal epoxy, which will look familiar to Malkoff owners. I would also note that Keeppower cells are what Modlite includes. From what I have researched over on CPF, these are the best cells there are. You are getting the best product available, in this package, not "just something that will work okay" like the factory-included ink cartridge in your printer.



My one criticism of the light, and this will not apply to lights purchased "as units" (mine was sent to me packaged as head/body/tail), is that the threads NEED to be lubricated. I used and recommend Nyogel 760G. The first few times I installed the head on this light was fraught with squeaks and a very gritty feel from the aluminum on aluminum contact. Note that the threads were machined perfectly and smoothly finished. You simply NEED to lubricate flashlight threads. Maybe this criticism isn't fair, as the complete lights will have Nyogel installed from Modlite, but that's how hard I look at a product that I spent $350 on that is a newcomer in a saturated and mature playing field such as WML's.

My take-away from this purchase (I paid MSRP for this light/package), is that the Modlite offers exactly what it claims to offer. The machinework and finishing is on par with Surefire and Malkoff (the threads are machined much much cleaner than Surefire, btw). The output, beam profile and texture, and run-time are superb, and class leading in this size of light. I predict, based on construction and what I observed of the attention to detail (assembled in America) these lights receive, that the durability and reliability of this product should match Surefire, Malkoff, etc.



*My affiliation with Modlite is via facebook messenger, telephone, and has spanned from when I first contacted Modlite on Feb 18, 2019. I paid full MSRP for my Modlite. I was not compensated for, nor was this review solicited or previewed by Modlite or its employees before posting. Any edits to this review that Modlite requests for clarification or for the sake of further explanation, will be outlined as coming from Modlite.
**The Modlite that I have uses a 4400K emitter, and is unofficially rated at 1250 lumens.
 

user12358

Regular Member
#4
So the production OKW will be "unofficially" 1250 lumens with 69,000 candela or is this just a one off prototype with a different emitter?
 
#6
Thanks for the review, it seems to mirror all of the others I've read on these so far.

Modlite certainly has my attention, even though the $250 price tag for a head alone is hard to swallow. Unfortunately, it's an upgrade I don't think I can live without since Surefire screwed the pooch with the KE2 head on the M600DF.
 
#7
So the production OKW will be "unofficially" 1250 lumens with 69,000 candela or is this just a one off prototype with a different emitter?
Mine is a 1-off emitter. The OKW head is officially 680 lumens/69,000 candela. The PLH head is 1500 lumens and 29,000 candela.

I mis-typed in my first response to you. Abbreviations are not my thing (I can't own an Acura). This post is accurate ^^^
 
#9
Thanks for the review, it seems to mirror all of the others I've read on these so far.

Modlite certainly has my attention, even though the $250 price tag for a head alone is hard to swallow. Unfortunately, it's an upgrade I don't think I can live without since Surefire screwed the pooch with the KE2 head on the M600DF.
The price is certainly notable, but I was a flashlight snob back when Gene Malkoff individually engraved his modules and took orders direct and when you called him, his wife answered the phone and roused him from the dinner table. I've had EDC+, Malkoff, Nailbender, etc. and the quality and construction of this light, as well as the refinement of the beam, etc. are in line with its price, in my opinion.

I recommend buying the package. For another $100, you get a body, tail-cap, D2 Nitecore charger, and 2 Keeppower cells.
 
#13
I was very fortunate to be a part of the development process for Cory and the Modlite. I got my hands on the first generation of the lights and have been running them through the last couple generations leading up to the production models. So as a disclaimer I received my lights as test models and did not pay for them but I am not in anyway compensated by Modlite.

To say that Cory is obsessed with this project would be an understatement. Cory is the nicest most normal mad scientist I've ever met. His dedication to the products he is producing is without compare and it shows in the end result. Unlike some of the other manufacturers Modlite couldn't come into the market and simply rest on its laurels. Cory worked hard to make a product that was intentionally superior to all other market offers.

To put it very simply his lights blow everything else I've seen out of the water. I've been able to compare the PLH and OKW to just about every other offering on the market so this isn't just a baseless claim. The Modlite as a dedicated WML solution is the answer everyone was hoping for from Surefire. I have a Scout DF sitting on my shelf so Yes I can and did say it.

If you are in the market for a WML the Modlite is your answer. Yes it's expensive but it is also the new industry benchmark and Cory has set the bar very high!
 

Slim

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Moderator
#14
Just got an OKW head in the mail today. Been excited to give these guys a go from the user pics posted all over.

Immediate reaction playing around the last 30 minutes, looking like this will replace all my current SF lights, rifle and handheld provided it holds up. Given Fisher's experience thus far, confidence appears high.

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Slim

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#15
Got the handheld body in the mail yesterday. Cory is a good guy getting a mail mishap taken care of asap (which he didn't have to do). Super excited to give this a run and ditch the SF's that didn't quite do it for me.

This is pretty much the lightsaber of handhelds I've tried out so far. PLH may eventually top this body off along with playing with some pocket clips.


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B_gerk

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Network Support I
#16
Got the handheld body in the mail yesterday. Cory is a good guy getting a mail mishap taken care of asap (which he didn't have to do). Super excited to give this a run and ditch the SF's that didn't quite do it for me.

This is pretty much the lightsaber of handhelds I've tried out so far. PLH may eventually top this body off along with playing with some pocket clips.


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When did they comeout with a handheld?


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Slim

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#17
There was a limited run of these done sterile of the scout mounting lugs. I'd love to see them do another batch of these, since they seemed to sell out quickly.

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B_gerk

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#18
There was a limited run of these done sterile of the scout mounting lugs. I'd love to see them do another batch of these, since they seemed to sell out quickly.

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Thats awesome, i hope so. That light is turning out to be a game changer


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