Introducing: Project Nemesis - P320 Roland Special

Had a block of unexpected free time this evening and decided to take a trip to the range. With tonight's shooting accounted for, the system as a whole has just ticked over the 2,000 round mark - And as has become the norm, no malfunctions to speak of with the operating systems of either setup.

I am, however, further disappointed with the ANR Design magwell on the Compact grip module. Once again it took less than one magazine before the front lip of the magwell began sliding off the front of the grip module;

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The magwell had been re-seated with a few firm taps from a rubber mallet and ANR had sent a replacement set screw thinking they might have shipped out the incorrect screw. I followed their instructions exactly in attaching the magwell before this shooting trip. I'm inclined to believe that the profile of the end of the P320's grip module (no protuding ledge for a magwell to bite into as on a Glock) makes it extremely difficult (if not impossible) to attach a magwell without the use of some kind of epoxy, as Springer Precision does with their P320 magwells. At this time, I believe my options are to either ditch the magwell on the Compact grip module entirely, or get some epoxy to help it hold on. Since I now know that the Compact grip module conceals well enough even with the magwell, I will likely opt to permanently attach it by way of epoxy.

The magwell very much DOES aid in reload speed and gives the grip a much more secure feel in the hand, so in that aspect it works as it should and I can recommend it. But, it would seem in order for it to stay on it does require being permanently attached to a grip module, which is not how it's advertised
 
The magwell had been re-seated with a few firm taps from a rubber mallet and ANR had sent a replacement set screw thinking they might have shipped out the incorrect screw. I followed their instructions exactly in attaching the magwell before this shooting trip. I'm inclined to believe that the profile of the end of the P320's grip module (no protuding ledge for a magwell to bite into as on a Glock) makes it extremely difficult (if not impossible) to attach a magwell without the use of some kind of epoxy, as Springer Precision does with their P320 magwells. At this time, I believe my options are to either ditch the magwell on the Compact grip module entirely, or get some epoxy to help it hold on. Since I now know that the Compact grip module conceals well enough even with the magwell, I will likely opt to permanently attach it by way of epoxy.

The magwell very much DOES aid in reload speed and gives the grip a much more secure feel in the hand, so in that aspect it works as it should and I can recommend it. But, it would seem in order for it to stay on it does require being permanently attached to a grip module, which is not how it's advertised
1- Did you no shit use a timer or are you guessing that it’s faster? What’s the time difference?

2- Do you really want to double down and permently attach the product that doesn’t work to your gun? Is there enough surface overlap for that to work?
 
1- Did you no shit use a timer or are you guessing that it’s faster? What’s the time difference?

2- Do you really want to double down and permently attach the product that doesn’t work to your gun? Is there enough surface overlap for that to work?
Apologies, I should be more specific - I have not yet been able to compare reloads with the magwell vs without on a shot timer yet, mostly because the magwell won't stay on long enough during live fire in order to do so. What I mean by it being faster is that during dryfire practice at home the magwell allows a much larger margin for error during reloads, which allows me to reload at a faster pace. In addition, even at the faster pace I "bobble" the reload less often while using the magwell than without it. It is a noticeable enough difference that I can confidently say I am faster reloading with the magwell, though I can't yet quantify it with specific data.

To your second point, I was actually thinking about that after I made my post. I do want to have a magwell of some kind on the Compact grip module, particularly now that I know it will still conceal well enough in an AIWB holster. But, if I'm going to be permanently attaching one to the grip module anyway, it might as well be the Springer Precision magwell - Which is better established as a high quality product, and the ESP version looks like it could be even more concealable than the ANR Designs option
 
1- Maybe try it with a timer and see what if anything it actually gets you in a quantifiable way? Be a shame to go to all this hassle and not get anything.

1.5- At the end of the day we all pay our money and take our chances.

2- Getting a better product makes sense, doubly so if you are permenantly attaching it.
 
I absolutely intend to put it to the timer as soon as I'm able.

To be honest though, even if my reloads aren't much faster, the more solid grip feel of a magwell is worth it to me - and at the very least it certainly doesn't slow me down
 
Did a bit of research and my suspicions have been confirmed - Part of the permanent modification that Springer does to the grip module in attaching their magwell is to machine a small ledge into the front of the bottom of the grip module, which gives their magwell something to bite onto. No ledge on the front of the grip means nothing for the magwell to catch on means it won't stay on.

I'll be purchasing a Springer ESP magwell and sending in the Compact grip module for their installation this week
 

Sunshine_Shooter

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2- Do you really want to double down and permently attach the product that doesn’t work to your gun? Is there enough surface overlap for that to work?
I'll be purchasing a Springer ESP magwell and sending in the Compact grip module for their installation this week
It's $40 to completely replace the whole grip, less than the Springer magwell by itself. I'd epoxy that sucker on there permanently, and replace the whole thing if it still sucked.
 
It's $40 to completely replace the whole grip, less than the Springer magwell by itself. I'd epoxy that sucker on there permanently, and replace the whole thing if it still sucked.
Guess I haven’t internalized how cheap the grip modules are. If the magwell he already has is just going to go into the trash and the module is $40 what the heck, give it a try.
 
Guess I haven’t internalized how cheap the grip modules are. If the magwell he already has is just going to go into the trash and the module is $40 what the heck, give it a try.
Both very good points and yes, one of the benefits of the P320 system - Whether it's stippling gone wrong, magwell that ends up not working the way you wanted, or cracks from regular wear and tear, the grip of the gun is very easily and cheaply replaced;

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2...ly-sig-p320-p250-9mm-luger-357-sig-40-s-and-w
 
I may still choose to just send the grip to Springer for their magwell anyway. The allure of the ANVL magwell was that it wouldn't require permanent attachment modification, but if I've reached that point either way I do prefer the aesthetics and profile of the Springer ESP magwell