Jimmy Holford
Yesterday at 5:53pm · Janesville, WI
I'm looking for a holster that will accommodate my g17/x300/rmr that has some active retention but is more concealable than the safariland. I sometimes go from low profile to overt kind of quickly and I don't feel like the open top Raven offers quite enough retention for my comfort level.
What is out there?
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Matt LandfairSafariland is the only option I can think of that provides that retention.
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Matt LeviRaven Phantom with a shirt over it or a Safariland ALS only (6395) on a direct belt mount. You really have to balance what is the primary need here. Concealment or Retention.
I intermittently swap between the two mysefl.
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Paul HotalingGood question Jimmy, I was interested in asking the same question.
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John Salingbravo has a retention holsterhttp://www.bravoconcealment.com/.../level-ii-rtt-holster
Bravo Concealment · Level II Holster
Bravo Concealment makes custom kydex holsters that are tough, durable, and lightweight. All gun holsters...
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Tim BragintonLAG tactical has an OWB holster available with a blade tech hood assembly. More low pro than the safariland but still has active retention. Not listed on their site so you'll have to contact them. Or PM me
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Derek McIntoshRaven concealment can add retention strap at request
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Weston ShoemakerMajority of kydex holster guys can make a holster with a thumb break. They usually go with Blade tech for the retention device.
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Matt LandfairI gotta point out - the ALS system is the gold standard of retention
Yesterday at 6:58pm · Like · 3 -
Jimmy HolfordYes it is Matt and that is what I use for duty belt/swat stuff. It is not low profile enough for what I need though.
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Michael GoerlichJimmy- If you want concealment, buy a concealment holster. If you want to roll overtly, get a Safariland.
Safariland currently makes the best active-retention holsters on the market, but nearly all of their concealment holsters --especially those that use the ALS-- leave a lot to be desired as far as concealment goes. There are ways to semi-quickly switch back and forth between an RCS holster and an ALS, but presently there is no "one holster to rule them all" solution for what you're describing.
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Joel Michael TownsendJason Randall of Blackbeard Tactical can help
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Roland DeschaintullDon't know if they make this style anymore but this has been my go to holster for duty carry for the past ten years.
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Roland DeschaintullIt holds 19,17,22,34,35 with or without comp, and with X300. Actually it's so old it holds x200, so with a 300U it sticks up enough that the thumb break does not work.
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Roland DeschaintullI don't worry about retention because of explosives on my person, if you enter my personal space, you get shot in the face because touching me is hostile intent due to grenade pull rings and such.
As a result I kept using the same holster as I replaced lights and could no longer use the thumb brake.
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Roland DeschaintullSo this is a blade tech with dropped and offset cant, but I have worn it with a paddle too under a BDU top for tolling around the FOB.
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Matt GröschI've used a blade tech for ccw of a 26 for almost 15 years
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Shane FitchI've had the same Bladetech as Roland for probabl 15 years. Safariland at the time did not make a Glock 35 holster. Even though I'm a ALS user now for duty stuff, off duty holster, Peters and Raven, dont have extra retention. Im comfortable with that though.
Yesterday at 7:58pm · Like · 1 -
Michael GoerlichPretty much every holster maker makes a thumb-break holster. The problem with both thumb-breaks and the SLS hoods (for law enforcement) is that far too many criminals are savvy to how they work, and are able to defeat them as easily as you do while drawing from them.
If you need an extra measure of retention for peace of mind while getting in and out of vehicles or jumping out of airplanes, they are ideal for that application. But for law enforcement applications where defense from a gun-grab is your concern, I do not feel they offer sufficient protection.
I have personally watched (in a controlled environment as a demo) a career criminal snatch blue guns from deputies' level two duty rigs before the deputies could do a damn thing about it. Thumb breaks were a joke to him, and the biggest impediment to him with the SLS wasn't the bail at all; it was the Safarilaminate lining dragging on the gun as he snatched it. Even still, he was able to do both two- and one-handed gun snatches against deputies who KNEW he was about to go for their gun and were actively resisting...and he was probably having about an 80% success rate. The guy snatching blue guns told the group that what he was doing was stuff he had been taught on the streets and in prison.
I don't say this to badmouth anyone's products. But personally, if I had to use a holster overtly for LE work, it would be something from Safariland that involved an ALS mechanism and a Safarilaminate lining.
...and I own a holster company that ISN'T named Safariland, if that gives you some perspective on my advice.
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Tom KelleyWhat Michael said
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Jimmy HolfordGoerlich, I have defeated a real take away attempt with an ALS and agree with you. When I know I am going to do overt stuff that's what I use.
Yesterday I was doing covert surveillance, wearing my Phantom LC, when patrol had some guys take off on them right in front of me with zero warning. I'm just looking to bridge that gap a little. I still have blades, and soon a g43 if I find myself in a disarm situation...
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Roland DeschaintullI agree. Once thumb brake is dead..... ah like now. The savages will stop training defeat on them.
If showcasing a caged animal that can defeat the flavor of his day is an indicator, why don't you let that animal out of his cage for a day and let hi...See More
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Chuck HaggardBeing the bad guy during scenarios I have gun grabbed a lot of rookies successfully. IMHO the ALS is the toughest to gun grab from if the person does anything but just stand there.
Southnarc found in ECQC that of the open top holsters, the leather IWB...See More
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Michael GoerlichThere is a hardware solution and a software solution.
If it were my job to provide the software, I'd tell guys "concealment IS your retention..they can't grab what they don't know you have." And then I'd get them enrolled in some quality combatives/weapon retention training by a SME.
As a provider of hardware, I have no control over the software. The amount of "eye of the tiger" in an officer varies from one guy to the next, and the amount and quality of training varies from one department to the next. So when I see guys say "I'd like a holster that I can hide under a t-shirt, but throw in some level-two retention just in case I have to fight off a gun-grab by some dude on PCP," it's my responsibility to suggest better hardware since it's not my wheelhouse to train them.
I have no doubt that the dude I saw snatching blue guns could probably have developed a way to grab from an ALS over time. But there is no question that the ALS is much more complex, and defeating that complexity during a gun-grab will not be as quick or easy as chopping a thumb-break. And while thumb-breaks have been nearly completely phased out of Safariland holsters (in favor of ALS/SLS), they are still the primary retention method for duty holsters from the other big duty gear makers like Bianchi, Gould & Goodrich, and Aker...so I don't think it's safe to call them "dead" just yet.
Personally, I think some good training combined with a suitable blade and/or a second pistol is a far better solution than relying on mechanical gee-gaws to prevent a gun-grab, but as a gear manufacturer, my advice can't make any assumptions about the end-user's skill level.
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Chuck HaggardThe whole reason for retention holsters, IMHO, is for the holster to survive a grab long enough for the wearer to do something about it. I have seen holsters back in the day that ripped open from top to bottom under the stress of a gun grab. That is seriously UnSat
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