ccw1911
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How is the eye box on the Steiner? Does the eye relief change much going from 1-4?
Modern Patrol Rifle
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How is the eye box on the Steiner? Does the eye relief change much going from 1-4?
Eye box is good, dot is Vortex bright, glass has a slight blue tint. I think actual bottom magnification is technically 1.05 but than isn’t a worry and hasn’t slowed me down any more than any other tube optic.
It is best in class and price 1-4x (I personally would even put it over the vaunted S&B Shortdot, what the P4Xi gives up in glass it makes up for everywhere else) With sale prices hitting $375ish range it is replacing aimpoint PRO as my base recommendation optic.
It is best in class and price 1-4x (I personally would even put it over the vaunted S&B Shortdot, what the P4Xi gives up in glass it makes up for everywhere else) With sale prices hitting $375ish range it is replacing aimpoint PRO as my base recommendation optic.
Low_Speed_Notper8or
Regular Member
$375 where can this be found
nightchief
Fighter of the Daychief
I bought my Steiner from Sport Optics. Was $439 with free shipping. I've been very happy so far with it, especially for the price point. Large ocular, easy to track targets at 1x (range and hunting, no two way range experience). BDC reticle works well, at least out to 400 yards out of a 16" barrel. I tried 55gr MEN and 77gr BH TMK. I am able to hit a C Zone IPSC steel with regularity when shooting prone or kneeling supported.
Cgarcia
Member
Been following along with this thread for a while now, it proved to be the last straw in pushing me to an LPVO, went with the P4Xi.
I hope to get out to the range and zero with 62 gr. Fusion before the end of this week. Dot brightness and glass clarity are fantastic. Will be ordering a throw lever and scope caps ASAP. Not a huge fan of the reticle but will put it through its paces soon enough. As much as I love my Comp M4S this thing is a big improvement.
I plan to use this rig for some night hunting in the next month or so.
I hope to get out to the range and zero with 62 gr. Fusion before the end of this week. Dot brightness and glass clarity are fantastic. Will be ordering a throw lever and scope caps ASAP. Not a huge fan of the reticle but will put it through its paces soon enough. As much as I love my Comp M4S this thing is a big improvement.
I plan to use this rig for some night hunting in the next month or so.
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Stobocor
Newbie
I've been evaluating a vortex razor hd gen ii-e for patrol use. Personally, I think there is a huge benefit gain by using a lpvo for duty, especially if most everyone else is running a red dot.
Today, I took it to a cross agency active shooter training event. I knew it was heavy and would wear me down, but I took it anyways. I was not disappointed and by the end, my shoulder was on fire. However, while at no point did I turn it off of 1 power, I was extremely happy with it. Hopefully I'll get it to a training class which will allow the opportunity to crank up (and down) the magnification, which I think will completely sell me on the idea of a lpvo for patrol .
There is still issues I have to work out, including figuring out how to get it into the rifle rack in my patrol car; however the razor is promising. I made sure to pass it around so others could see what the future of LE patrol rifles looks like.
Today, I took it to a cross agency active shooter training event. I knew it was heavy and would wear me down, but I took it anyways. I was not disappointed and by the end, my shoulder was on fire. However, while at no point did I turn it off of 1 power, I was extremely happy with it. Hopefully I'll get it to a training class which will allow the opportunity to crank up (and down) the magnification, which I think will completely sell me on the idea of a lpvo for patrol .
There is still issues I have to work out, including figuring out how to get it into the rifle rack in my patrol car; however the razor is promising. I made sure to pass it around so others could see what the future of LE patrol rifles looks like.
MuskokaJoe
Newbie
Up where I am the laws with respect to barrel length are a bit different and agencies are a bit different. You'll see a lot of 10.5" C8CQB's here. Some 14.5" C8's in various configurations. Most are mounted between the seats, for that reason I you'll see the high number of 10.5'' guns as you do here. Less cumbersome to deploy rapidly from the patrol vehicle I'd suppose. My service used 10.5's, while another agency we trained with used 14.5's, I didn't notice a huge difference in deploying either from their mounts except in Ford's Taurus interceptor... Pictured below is basically the patrol rifle setup we carried since 2010.
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MuskokaJoe
Newbie
There are a few Services up where I am (but not many) that also deploy suppressors on patrol rifles. My agency strongly considered it. We received feedback from two agencies that both used the North Easter Arms MiniCan. One absolutely loved them, citing potential benefits to officers conducting IARD operations. The other ultimately pulled them from service citing increased stoppages and cans loosening off causing baffle strikes during training. We didn't end up deploying any prior to our amalgamation with a much larger service.
Dr. Cornwallis
Regular Member
Unless your business is primarily room to room murder on sight work in a sense urban area then I think a 14.5 or 16 inch rifle with an LPVO makes sense, especially if you work in a rural or suburban/rural transitional area. LPVO’s are good enough now that most of their shortcomings have been adequately addressed, and their advantages in accuracy and PID past 50 yards are absolutely undeniable.
If someone needs a plug and play rifle, and their agency approves, it’s hard to go wrong with a an SR-15 Mod 2 with an LPVO... buy rifle, attach optic and WML, go do work.
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If someone needs a plug and play rifle, and their agency approves, it’s hard to go wrong with a an SR-15 Mod 2 with an LPVO... buy rifle, attach optic and WML, go do work.
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Sturmgewehr 5.56
Newbie
I am not LEO, just a civilian but I’ll share what I have as one of my home defense rifles so maybe someone might find this useful.
I currently have a complete BCM 16” BFH ELW with the KMR-A rail along with the BCM BCG with their ambidextrous charging handle. It sits on a Aero Precision lower with the BCM PNT trigger, H buffer, buffer tube and spring with the Gunfighter stock.
The optic I am using is the Trijicon MRO with the lower 1/3 cowitness mount, though I may upgrade to the Steiner P4Xi one of these days. I have Magpul Mbus Pro front and rear back up sights. The light on the weapon is the Surefire Scout M600. The sling is the Magpul MS4 sling. It is currently loaded with Speer Gold Dot 64gr .223 although I also have some IMI 77gr Razorcore’s loaded up as well.
Anyways I hope someone finds this useful for an idea for a patrol rifle.
I currently have a complete BCM 16” BFH ELW with the KMR-A rail along with the BCM BCG with their ambidextrous charging handle. It sits on a Aero Precision lower with the BCM PNT trigger, H buffer, buffer tube and spring with the Gunfighter stock.
The optic I am using is the Trijicon MRO with the lower 1/3 cowitness mount, though I may upgrade to the Steiner P4Xi one of these days. I have Magpul Mbus Pro front and rear back up sights. The light on the weapon is the Surefire Scout M600. The sling is the Magpul MS4 sling. It is currently loaded with Speer Gold Dot 64gr .223 although I also have some IMI 77gr Razorcore’s loaded up as well.
Anyways I hope someone finds this useful for an idea for a patrol rifle.
Ryan St.Jean
Regular Member
You spelled AKM wrong.
Joking, sort of.
If strait longevity in an abusive situation is the goal with an AR; regular handguards (or magpul) with a fixed A2 front sight post and a fixed (DD, etc) rear sight would be the way to go. You could still use an Aimpoint/ Eotech with that setup.
YMMV.
Nathan Mack
Amateur
Heathen is far lower profile (and lighter?) which is what I need for patrol use.
WAVandal
Regular Member
For the LPVO is everyone going with second focal plane or first? In this kind of application is one superior to the other? I got used to shooting with FFP when I was shooting PRS at a very amateur level for fun. I'm likely using some of my next OT check for a LPVO to mount on my PWS Mk114 Mod1. The T-1 is getting moved to my DD M4V7p.
From what I’ve seen, most prefer the pros of SFP for a 1-4 or 1-6 in this context.
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CK837
Amateur
@WAVandal Much of it comes down to preference I think. As a precision rifle guy, I like FFP stuff, but a lot of door kickers seem to like the SFP for LPVO's, which I can understand. I personally chose the NF ATACR 1-8 because I finally found a LPVO that did everything I personally wanted. The penalty is weight of course. I like that the NF reticle is clean and simple and the dot is daylight bright, but if I need magnification I have a usable reticle that "appears" when I zoom in. It's not for everyone, but I love it. There are a lot of options so I would really hammer out the role you want that optic to fill and then start narrowing it down. SFP might be the right choice, or FFP, but ultimately that's up to you.
Dr. Cornwallis
Regular Member
I prefer second focal plane on a 1-4 or 1-6 type optic mounted to a GP or RECCE rifle. There are huge advantages to SFP optic at closer distances and you honestly don’t really start realizing the major benefits of FFP until you start getting into longer yardages.
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PatMcG
Member
Not necessarily a patrol rifle(because I’m not le/mil) but this is what I’d grab if I was allowed to grab 1 of my guns for the rest of time to do everything. The heathen bipod is really slick. Only changes I’m making to this is a quality QD scope mount and upgrade to surefire wml.
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