How are 18650 batteries performing?

Matt Landfair

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What brands are working better and which have issues with flashlights?

In order to provide the better metric, you will need experience with more than one of one brand.
 

Simms65

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I've used about a dozen different brands (Orbtronic, Soshine, Samsing, Tenergy, Steamlight, etc), and Panasonic protected button top cells:
https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-NC...id=1524095488&sr=1-4&keywords=panasonic+18650

These seem to perform the most consistently for me. The oldest ones I have are about 2 years old and still maintain their ability to hold a charge well. The protetion cells work. They are a touch tight in some lights which have a tighter tube, usually older lights.

I will caution people when buying... ONLY buy these Panasonic cells from amazon specifically. Any 3rd party sellers you quite likely will be getting ripoff cells which are not OEM Panasonic.

I've read good things about LG betteries but have not used any personally.

I've used these in Streamlight, Fenix, Thrunite, bored Surefires, and others.
 
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TacMed

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I've been running Orbtronics in a bored out Fury for a number of years. Rotating three batteries through it. No issues whatsoever. I use the Xtar SP2 charger.
 

Simms65

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As can be expected from most Streamlight products they work quite well. I don't use them because I have multiple stand alone chargers and would rather have the extra mah capacity than built in charging.
 

Ben H

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I was using the blue Streamlights (older ones without the USB port on the battery itself) for almost a year. No issues, but switched over to the Surefires about 2 months ago when I saw that they were 3400 mAh (Streamlights are 2600 mAh). Per my 40 year electrical engineer nerd father-in-law I should get a strait 30% increase in runtime, but have not actually tested it ... mainly because I don’t know if it would cause any harm to let it run that long since it gets hot. Been using both types exclusively in Streamlight ProTac HL-X and long gun rail light version.
 

Ben H

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Facebook post that @IkeInTexas put out ....

This is copied and pasted from Ian Wendt. Full credit goes to him.
This is in response to recently released high output LED lights having issues with certain batteries. It's a long post but worth your time.
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"So, I'm seeing that there seems to be a lot of confusion when it comes to 18650 batteries, the different kinds of 18650 batteries and how their performance differs, so let's go over it.
But first things first. Don't buy the cheapest battery you can find. It's just not a good idea. Cheap cells vary enormously in quality and performance and can be downright dangerous as they are often much more likely to catch fire during recharging.
So, don't be a cheapskate, spend a few dollars more for a good battery.
That out of the way, let's talk about current and current draw.
When it comes to flashlights, as lumen outputs rise, so does the current demand, how many amps the light requires to run at full power. Up to about 1000-1200 lumens or so, most decent CR123 batteries and all but the shittiest of 18650s will be able to keep up with the current demands without failing catastrophically (typically through over-heating and subsequent venting/explosion) or getting shut off by their built-in protection circuits.
The second you get up into 1400-1500+ lumen outputs, you're going to need more current than CR123s and standard discharge rate 18650s can deliver safely, Instead of, say 1.5 to 3 amps, you're gonna need cells that will deliver 5-10 amps or even higher with the really insane current demands from 20,000+ lumen lights.
As an example, I have a Klarus XT11GT that puts out around 2000 lumens, and it comes with an IMR battery (a special, more stable chemistry than standard lithium-ion) that is capable of a 12 amp constant current draw. The battery that comes with another Klarus, the 1600 lumen XT2CR, is a high-discharge lithium-ion, rated for 7 amps of constant current draw. I bring these up as examples of how different outputs and power demands should be paired with appropriate battery types.
If I were to put something like a Tenergy or Streamlight 2600mAh 18650 in either of those two lights, the likely outcome will be the lights not functioning at all, or if you're lucky, you'll get a few seconds or minutes before the protection circuits kick in and shut off the battery. If you're unlucky and also a cheapskate, the shitty Ultrafire battery you got for 5 dollars will have a faulty protection circuit, the current demand will overheat the cell and blow up the flashlight in your hand.
To summarize: Under 1200 lumens, discharge rate doesn't matter that much. Over 1400ish, it matters a whole hell of a lot. Don't buy batteries that don't have the discharge rate listed in their specs. (The one, notable exception to this is the Surefire 3400mAh 18650, and that's solely because I trust that Surefire tested them and they'll function reliably in their own 1500 lumen light.)
Capacity is next. Capacity is typically listed as mAh(Milli-Amp Hours) and the higher the number, the longer your battery will last before it needs recharging. 2600mAh used to be the standard, and you still see these around because now-a-days they're very cheap and easy to make. In comparison, a single CR123 is typically around 1400mAh.
For a few dollars more though, you can get up to 3600mAh batteries, which makes a pretty substantial difference in effective runtime. Again, don't be a cheapskate. 12 bucks buys you a Streamlight (Merh, American brand is best! Except the battery is made in China just like the others) 2600mAh battery with cells of unknown provenance, 4-6 dollars more gets you a Surefire, Nitecore, or Klarus battery, that uses cells made by Panasonic (largely considered the best quality cells on the market) and have 3400-3600mAh capacities. That's a hell of a lot more runtime for not a hell of a lot more dough. Did I mention don't be a cheapskate?
Chemistry. There's a few of them, but outside of specialist applications, the two you'll typically see in use in flashlights are lithium-ion and IMR. IMR will usually be somewhat lower in capacity although you can get them up to 3100mAh, and some of them can handle 30+ amps of current draw. Some of the really nutty high-output lights will ONLY function with IMR batteries.
Chargers. Don't be a cheapsk.... Skinflint. Buy a quality charger like one of the Nitecore or Klarus smart chargers. 20-30 bucks and you'll get something that will take good care of your batteries and your batteries will last longer.
Things not to do:
Don't buy unprotected batteries unless you actually know what the fuck you're doing and have an appropriate application. Used wrong, unprotected batteries can be exceedingly dangerous. Lithium fires are bad, mmmkay?
Probably stay away from flat-top batteries unless specifically called for in your application.
Other than Surefire, avoid battery brands that end in the word "-fire".
Don't buy just any old battery for your 1500+ lumen super-duper tactical light and expect it to work."
 

TXLEO

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Trying to track...is streamlight 18650 good to go or not preferred? Would mainly be a backup. I have a couple 18650 i use in a hlx handheld and trying to decide how many extras i need now that i have a 600df too.
 

RallyMech

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Trying to track...is streamlight 18650 good to go or not preferred? Would mainly be a backup. I have a couple 18650 i use in a hlx handheld and trying to decide how many extras i need now that i have a 600df too.
I plan on switching to Surefire cells for my HL-X's and eventual M600DF. The Streamlight cells are 2600mAh, where as the Surefire cells are 3400mAh. That's a significant improvement in total runtime.

https://www.streamlight.com/docs/default-source/data-sheet/18650chargerkitdatasheet.pdf?sfvrsn=2

Additionally, I prefer to have a single type of battery around to prevent me from making stupid mistakes. By the time I actually upgrade to the M600DF, I'll probably have worn out the two Streamlight cells I currently have in my handheld and rail mount HL-Xs.
 

danno762

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Asked Surefire tech support about battery discharge rates and just heard back...

"Hi tech peoples, have a battery question...
Trying to help the guys on Primary & Secondary with 18650 battery selection, other than SF18650s. Since the 1500 lumen lights draw so much power, is there a continuous discharge current spec we should make sure our 18650 batteries meet? I see batteries with continuous rates from 10A to 30A available.
Thanks,
Dan"

Surefire reply:
"Hi Dan,
If you are attempting to use a different manufacture or the SF18650 2600mAh battery that was sold with the P1R they will not work with the FURY-DFT.

Reason being that our new SF18650A - 3400mAh have a max 6 amp discharge rate. The FURY-DFT is a high drain device that requires 5amp discharge rate. The new SF18650A battery has 6amp; therefore it has a 1amp buffer; they also have built in battery protection.

If you have an SF18650A from a P1R it will not work with the new FURY-DFT unless it is the updated SF18650A with the 3400mAh - 12.58wh.

https://www.surefire.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=sf18650

*Please be aware that if you use an unprotected battery, and leaks or causes damage to the flashlight it will not be covered under warranty.*"
 

ProfDecoy

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I've had some issues with the Streamlight 18650's (2.6Ah) batteries with my Surefire Dual Fuel Fury, and ended up contacting Surefire's support as well, and I got the same response as Dan.

Hi Joseph,

If you are attempting to use a different manufacture or the 2600mAh battery they will not work with the FURY-DFT.

Reason being that our new SF18650A - 3400mAh have a max 6amp discharge rate. The FURY-DFT is a high drain device that requires 5amp discharge rate. The new SF18650A battery has 6amp; therefore it has a 1amp buffer.

If you have an SF18650A from a P1R it will not work with the new FURY-DFT unless it is the updated SF18650A with the 3400mAh - 12.58wh.

https://www.surefire.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=0&q=sf18650

So if anyone else is having issues with their DF Fury and 18650's, this is likely why. The current draw of the new light is higher than what the previous ones on the market can provide (according to Surefire).
 

TXLEO

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I just got four Panasonic’s in. I thought I read when I bought them to not remove the clear plastic wrapping but part of that seems counterintuitive. Do I leave this plastic wrapper on? Sorry if that’s dumb
 

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